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the sister-in-law and brother-in-l brother-in-law? >> the brother-in-law apparently spent most of his time at college, so it is unclear at this point what their relationship was. >> now, what's the fbi -- is sense ny way of knowing what of smell about her? when so many of these cases i've watched through history where somebody does something, of a submersive nature, and the spouse does get targeted for the investigation -- and sometimes incriminated, is there any sense in the behavior of the authorities what their view is of her role of innocence or guilt here? >> you know, like i said earlier, you know, they're asking to interview her. they obviously want to talo her. she was married to him. her lawyer says she is cooperating. as to whether or not they've actually spoken or not, it's unclear. they do obviously want to talk to her. >> i'm waiting to see a report when we find out. that's big news when they sbe t interrogate her. >>> coming up, another day, another republican with an offensive ethnic slur. these guys live in isolation b
the sister-in-law and brother-in-l brother-in-law? >> the brother-in-law apparently spent most of his time at college, so it is unclear at this point what their relationship was. >> now, what's the fbi -- is sense ny way of knowing what of smell about her? when so many of these cases i've watched through history where somebody does something, of a submersive nature, and the spouse does get targeted for the investigation -- and sometimes incriminated, is there any sense in the...
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new jersey's existing gun laws are already among the strictest in the nation. by the way, christie's move is a reminder he's still running for re-election, not for 2016 yet. >>> as we wait for formal charges to be brought against the 19-year-old marathon bombing suspect federal and state authorities are trying to determine what led up to last monday's attack and what red flags might have been missed. for more on that joined by nbc's national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. it seems to me the unanswered question everybody would like to know of, number one, where did these guys test? nobody believes this was the first time they did these bombs on monday. that they must have tested them somewhere. the second, what was tamerlan, the older brother, doing in russia for six months? >> reporter: exactly. there's so many unanswered questions here. but let's start with the -- that russian report to the fbi in 2011 asking them to investigate tamerlan. what sparked that -- the russian request? what information do they have? the fbi says that the russians didn'
new jersey's existing gun laws are already among the strictest in the nation. by the way, christie's move is a reminder he's still running for re-election, not for 2016 yet. >>> as we wait for formal charges to be brought against the 19-year-old marathon bombing suspect federal and state authorities are trying to determine what led up to last monday's attack and what red flags might have been missed. for more on that joined by nbc's national investigative correspondent michael isikoff....
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it all ended tonight as one law enforcement official put it with a whimper. inside a boat in a trailer in a backyard in watertown, massachusetts. then it ended with a genuine cheer. all those first responders, cops, firemen as they exited town. the town that was terrorized by a gun battle in the streets last night. they were all cheered. and they had a chance to shine. bask in the glow of joyful citizens who were just thankful, they came in, they rode in to save the day. kate snow was there amid all of it tonight. and she is joining us tonight to start it all off. kate, good evening. >> good evening to you, brian. let's remember what this week has been like. a week that seemed like it would just never end in boston. on monday you had the devastating bombings at the marathon. a couple of days later last night, the fbi holds a press conference showing video and pictures of two key suspects and asking the public for help. the first sign of a major development in the manhunt came about 10:00 p.m. eastern time thursday, about five hours after the fbi news conferen
it all ended tonight as one law enforcement official put it with a whimper. inside a boat in a trailer in a backyard in watertown, massachusetts. then it ended with a genuine cheer. all those first responders, cops, firemen as they exited town. the town that was terrorized by a gun battle in the streets last night. they were all cheered. and they had a chance to shine. bask in the glow of joyful citizens who were just thankful, they came in, they rode in to save the day. kate snow was there...
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how these people operated and so on and so forth and we don't know all of the information that the law enforcement who, by the way, have done such a great job of putting this whole thing together, all of them, and i'd like to applaud them. nonetheless, that all is taking place and, yes, it was a planned attack. this wasn't anything by happenstance. you look at what we know now about some of the weapons and some of the activities that these people have -- and we still don't know yet -- it hasn't come out to us yet what training that they had and where they may have gotten that training and to whom may have trained them. i think they have truly done a good job of bringing it to the attention. >> "the new york times" found an m-4 assault rifle on the boat where the young suspect was hiding. i mean, where does a teenager get a weapon like that? >> reverend al, he may have gotten it at a robbery. it seems to be unknown whether they were taken at a robbery or purchased in a back alley. it will be interesting to see how they acquired them. your question also about the explosives is very inter
how these people operated and so on and so forth and we don't know all of the information that the law enforcement who, by the way, have done such a great job of putting this whole thing together, all of them, and i'd like to applaud them. nonetheless, that all is taking place and, yes, it was a planned attack. this wasn't anything by happenstance. you look at what we know now about some of the weapons and some of the activities that these people have -- and we still don't know yet -- it hasn't...
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so basically, she would see a lot of her mother-in-law, the brother's mother. she wouldn't see quite as much of dzhokhar, the younger brother, because he was back and forth to college. and i just got to say one thing. for all the talk about tamerlan being so iced and not having any american friends, let's remember he married an american girl named katie from the suburbs of providence, rhode island. so not everything there squares. >> yeah, and we talked to a number of people who considered him a friend over the last several years. so as you say, not everything is square. still learning a lot. i appreciate the update. a lot of questions remain about who the brothers really are, what they are about. in light of the bombings, authorities in massachusetts are looking closely at another crime. the unsolved murder of tamerlan's friend and two others back in 2011. so tell us what we're learning about this triple murder? >> what we know is a team of investigators are looking at it very closely. this was a triple murder that happened about 18 months ago in massachusetts
so basically, she would see a lot of her mother-in-law, the brother's mother. she wouldn't see quite as much of dzhokhar, the younger brother, because he was back and forth to college. and i just got to say one thing. for all the talk about tamerlan being so iced and not having any american friends, let's remember he married an american girl named katie from the suburbs of providence, rhode island. so not everything there squares. >> yeah, and we talked to a number of people who...
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and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers without the miranda rights and still use that information in court. so when does the clock tick on that period of the public safety exception? the moment you make an arrest, the moment you begin an interrogation, what? i mean, i think the justice department will take the position that it begins the moment they begin talking to him. but i suppose his lawyers can certainly say that the time had elapsed so much since his arrest that it's hard to assert that exception. my guess is that there's no clear rule here in the federal government. this is kind of a legal rule that'
and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers...
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my stepfather practiced law in these two towns where these men carried these things out. it is horrible and hard for us. i feel that jihadists want to us blame all muslims. pizza religious war. but there is a responsibility. american muslims need to come out more. these people in louisville hold open houses in their mosques so people can see what they do and it is not so shrouded in mystery. more broadly speaking, when we look at the middle east, people see chaos. >> which you've tried to explain in beyond war. you look through the arab spring and you take it country by country. there are big differences in the way tonig way they see them. >> there is this epic struggle for power and for control between conservative muslims. some of them are very violent and more liberal secular ones. and frankly, we need to do a better job of seeing that, what's happening. it is not chaos. this is a very real power struggle and figure out how can we help those moderates. we are less dependent on energy from the middle east. the chinese economy will depend on that oil from the middle east
my stepfather practiced law in these two towns where these men carried these things out. it is horrible and hard for us. i feel that jihadists want to us blame all muslims. pizza religious war. but there is a responsibility. american muslims need to come out more. these people in louisville hold open houses in their mosques so people can see what they do and it is not so shrouded in mystery. more broadly speaking, when we look at the middle east, people see chaos. >> which you've tried to...
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state law is also broken. typically in a terrorism context, domestically, we'd see that prosecution and several avenues to pursue the death penalty against the suspect. >> okay. thank you for that, ari. joining us now, again, james cavanaugh, hostage negotiator at the atf, as well as special agent in charge and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only person they're looking for. some folks were being allowed to leave work and go home. we also heard from governor patrick people should stay in their homes. putting all of these pieces together in your opinion, do they have dzhokhar cornered or do not know where he is? >> well, i think they think they have him in an area near watertown that's a block or some houses you keep seeing on the feed there. they think he's in there. they've set up a heavy perimeter there with the s.w.a.t. and srt teams and doing a methodical search. fact th
state law is also broken. typically in a terrorism context, domestically, we'd see that prosecution and several avenues to pursue the death penalty against the suspect. >> okay. thank you for that, ari. joining us now, again, james cavanaugh, hostage negotiator at the atf, as well as special agent in charge and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only...
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and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people of interest they just want to question. to understand what the broader conspiracy might have been. >> nbc news terrorism analyst, roger cressey. thanks for your time. >>> i want to bring in nbc's michael isikoff. who is with us in watertown. michael, we were seeing some helicopter activity in the skies over there. we know that there is a no-fly zone over much of boston. the city is on lockdown. can you give us an update? >> exactly, alex. for about the last 15 minutes we've had military style helicopters circling above us here. this is where we are i
and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people...
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>> nobody does it. >> not all small businesses would be affected by this law, right? a lot of them are upset. why? >> if you have less than $1 million in revenue you are not affected by this. small businesses are split on this. depends who you compete against. if you are a small business doing a lot of sales on the internet and people don't have to pay sales tax, then that's an advantage to you, right? you can be cheaper than walking down the street and buying from a big box store. on the flip side, if you're a small business and you're doing most of your business in your state, then suddenly you're at a disadvantage because someone can buy something online from somebody else and not pay taxes. >> there's an additional concern for you and me which is that if this goes through, not only might we have to pay additional taxes, if these small businesses in particular feel that doing this is extra paperwork and costs them more money, will that cost get passed onto us? >> it's confusing. right now you have to deal with sales tax for one state or the state that you're in if
>> nobody does it. >> not all small businesses would be affected by this law, right? a lot of them are upset. why? >> if you have less than $1 million in revenue you are not affected by this. small businesses are split on this. depends who you compete against. if you are a small business doing a lot of sales on the internet and people don't have to pay sales tax, then that's an advantage to you, right? you can be cheaper than walking down the street and buying from a big box...
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if so do you think that law needs to be looked at? >> that is an area that we looked at, as well, when department of homeland security introduced a program that was routinely looking at postings that were done in a publicly available way. we questioned the extent to which government ought to be looking at that kind of information. the privacy officers had some guidelines that allowed that to fall within the correct action but is it different once you have some measure of effectively probable cause to believe that somebody may be inclined towards terrorism? and then they are posting jihadist messages. does that allow you to use a higher level of scrutiny on them? i think these are all issues that are going to be developed as we move forward. >> one thing is what we are doing internally and the other is our relationship with foreign governments. there is an indication that u.s. officials wanted to get more information of activities from tamerlan tsarnaev from the russian government but say they never got back to them. >> you have the ru
if so do you think that law needs to be looked at? >> that is an area that we looked at, as well, when department of homeland security introduced a program that was routinely looking at postings that were done in a publicly available way. we questioned the extent to which government ought to be looking at that kind of information. the privacy officers had some guidelines that allowed that to fall within the correct action but is it different once you have some measure of effectively...
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and of course, just as you said, have of we have confirmed from a law enforcement source that the person on the boat is in custody, but they have not identified that person. i have to tell you, i was thinking about the people in this neighborhood as we were watching this happen, how many people must be terrified sitting in their house all day long, while the lockdown was under way. and how relieved they would be if this was a resolution to that. when we were covering some of the grievously injured people earlier in the week from the bombings itself that happened on monday the doctors kept talking about their concerns for p.t.s.d., posttraumatic stress syndrome, but not just the victims, but the people who witnessed it, the people who helped at that time, and the family member member to endure. and i wonder. how people have been suffering through this whole week in this neighborhood and this city waiting for some kind of sign of safety that this person who was so willing to kill innocent people of captured. >> pelley: thank you very much. we're going to continue to watch that live picture
and of course, just as you said, have of we have confirmed from a law enforcement source that the person on the boat is in custody, but they have not identified that person. i have to tell you, i was thinking about the people in this neighborhood as we were watching this happen, how many people must be terrified sitting in their house all day long, while the lockdown was under way. and how relieved they would be if this was a resolution to that. when we were covering some of the grievously...
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so law enforcement enacted basically an effort not to read tsarnaev his miranda rights. that means not telling him he has the right to remain silent under what they call the public safety exception, allows them to get as much information as they can within the immediate hours after his arrest. in case there is information about other plots or perhaps other accomplices but it's li likely that he hasn't even been questioned yet because of his state, his serious condition, that this may not matter. he may have been read his miranda rights by a judge as early as tomorrow. the republican lawmakers, of course, say the public safety exception doesn't go far enough, that he should be treated as an enemy combatant. we do not want this suspect to have the right to remain silent. here is a little bit more about what they said. i'll put this graphic up on the screen. this is from a statement released by those republican lawmakers who say we have concerns limiting this investigation to 48 hours and exclusively relying on the public safety exception of miranda could very well be a nat
so law enforcement enacted basically an effort not to read tsarnaev his miranda rights. that means not telling him he has the right to remain silent under what they call the public safety exception, allows them to get as much information as they can within the immediate hours after his arrest. in case there is information about other plots or perhaps other accomplices but it's li likely that he hasn't even been questioned yet because of his state, his serious condition, that this may not...
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. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. >> and in dagestan, the suspect's mother is adamant that her sons are innocent. >> what happened is a terrible thing, but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i am mother. >> joining us now from boston is nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. and frank silufo, director of the homeland security policy institute at george washington university. good afternoon, to both of you. mike, as the investigations continue both here and oversea, we understand that investigators are confident these brothers acted alone. even as their family members express utter bafflement. what are we learning about the larger case against these suspects? >> reporter: well first of all, this is looking, martin, more and more like a case of self-radicalization. now, nothing is conclusive and, you know, we're far from the end of this investigation right now. >> of course. of course. >> reporter: but the preliminary indicators, first, you have tsarnaev saying the two
. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. >> and in dagestan, the suspect's mother is adamant that her sons are innocent. >> what happened is a terrible thing, but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i am mother. >> joining us now from boston is nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. and frank silufo, director of the homeland security policy institute at george...
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i mean, the lockdown turned boston into almost a state of martial law. in the public garden we saw the swan boats were just sitting there. they were floating in the lagoon. nobody was there. they've been a boston tradition for over 130 years. in the boston common there were more s.w.a.t. teams than people. usually, that's a place where workers and runners go by the thousands. the freedom trail, which is the red brick line that takes tourists and school children to all the historic sites in this city, connected to the american revolution, no one was walking the freedom trail. it was a very unusual day. and yet, even though people were inconvenienced, even though they were told to stay in their homes, people i talked to, brian, as the lockdown went on, they all said one thing, they didn't want the suspect to be killed when he was captured. they wanted him to be taken alive because more than anything they want answers as to why those two men did what they did to the city of boston, to the boston marathon, and to this country because people don't understand
i mean, the lockdown turned boston into almost a state of martial law. in the public garden we saw the swan boats were just sitting there. they were floating in the lagoon. nobody was there. they've been a boston tradition for over 130 years. in the boston common there were more s.w.a.t. teams than people. usually, that's a place where workers and runners go by the thousands. the freedom trail, which is the red brick line that takes tourists and school children to all the historic sites in this...
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police and law enforcement are searching high and low for those two men. meantime, in watertown, massachusetts, that's right near boston, a mass impolice and military presence where officials believe the 19-year-old man dzhokhar tsarnaev could be holed up. the crews are planning to wait him out. local police say they could continue through the weekend. nearby in cambridge, that is right near the home of the suspected bombers and their relatives, police plan to perform some sort of controlled explosion. also right now in southern massachusetts, the campus of umass dartmouth is being evacuated. the school has confirmed someone connected to the bombings is enrolled as a student there. we're trying to clear up those details for you. we know this began last night with reports of gunfire on the m.i.t. campus. police say the man shot and killed 26-year-old sean collier, an m.i.t. police officer, who was just sitting in his cruiser. his broad was riddled with several gunshots. the two men car jacked a mercedes suv at gunpoint. police began a chase while those susp
police and law enforcement are searching high and low for those two men. meantime, in watertown, massachusetts, that's right near boston, a mass impolice and military presence where officials believe the 19-year-old man dzhokhar tsarnaev could be holed up. the crews are planning to wait him out. local police say they could continue through the weekend. nearby in cambridge, that is right near the home of the suspected bombers and their relatives, police plan to perform some sort of controlled...
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i think they were taken by surprise by law enforcement coming on them. i think they had more things planned. i bet where they live, their friends, their phone records, their social media will be a treasure trove of information and we'll eventually work back and find out about them. >> megyn: now i'm just getting in my ear, we're doing the translation. the father is in russia and is speaking in russian is my understanding. now we're translating his tape and we'll show that to the viewers shortly. i'm going to hold you over for a minute, vincent, while we get this ready to show and play for the viewers and ask you what now? what little be th will be the p? how will the police without any sight of them continue. let's say they finish and go door to door, 100% of the homes in the area and they still don't have him, then what? >> this has happened more than once. if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. they may go back and research. they may have to expand the perimeter. i hate to use the word arbitrarily, but they come up with a perimeter they cordon
i think they were taken by surprise by law enforcement coming on them. i think they had more things planned. i bet where they live, their friends, their phone records, their social media will be a treasure trove of information and we'll eventually work back and find out about them. >> megyn: now i'm just getting in my ear, we're doing the translation. the father is in russia and is speaking in russian is my understanding. now we're translating his tape and we'll show that to the viewers...
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basically, she would see a lot of her mother-in-law, the brother's mother. and herbson, for all the talk about tamerlan being so isolated and not having any american friends, let's remember that he married an american girl named katie from the suburbs of providence, rhode island. so not everything there squares. >> we've talked to a number of people who have said everything is not square. chris, i appreciate the update. more ahead on my interview with a young dance instructor. dance will not be stopped by what she lost in the bombing. doctors had to amputate her leg several inches below her knee. but she says she is not giving up. >> i look at this as someone trained to stop me from realizing my dreams. and i thought ballroom dancing was something i was never going to do to dance. it just seems like a tough arena to be in. and i've conquered that. and i'm not ready to stop. whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in. with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your
basically, she would see a lot of her mother-in-law, the brother's mother. and herbson, for all the talk about tamerlan being so isolated and not having any american friends, let's remember that he married an american girl named katie from the suburbs of providence, rhode island. so not everything there squares. >> we've talked to a number of people who have said everything is not square. chris, i appreciate the update. more ahead on my interview with a young dance instructor. dance will...
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he was asked to leave because he was being disrespectful to other people working out at the gym and law enforcement took the surveillance equipment from this gym in part of their investigation. one fellow boxer told us tsarnaev struck a figure in the gym calling him a premiere athlete. trainer eddie bishop travelled with tsarnaev to a national competition. you said he was eccentric. >> he had cowboy boots on and leather pants and a special hat. >> bishop says tsarnaev was strong but not tenacious. >> he had a really big punch. he knocked a lot of people out but, you know, he lacked that fight. >> reporter: what do you mean? >> he couldn't get you out of there quick. >>> meanwhile, authorities in canada say they foiled a planned terror attack. on monday two men were arrested and charged with receiving reports from al qaeda networks to bomb a canadian railway line. the chairman of the counter terrorism and intelligence subcommittee says the train was bound from canada to the u.s. >> the individuals were receiving support from al qaeda elements located in iran. >> thank you. >> now, i can
he was asked to leave because he was being disrespectful to other people working out at the gym and law enforcement took the surveillance equipment from this gym in part of their investigation. one fellow boxer told us tsarnaev struck a figure in the gym calling him a premiere athlete. trainer eddie bishop travelled with tsarnaev to a national competition. you said he was eccentric. >> he had cowboy boots on and leather pants and a special hat. >> bishop says tsarnaev was strong but...
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or our laws do not allow the fbi to follow-up in a sound, solid way. there was a lot to be learned from this guy. he was on websites talking about killing americans. he went overseas, as chuck indicated. he was clearly talking about radical ideas. he was visiting radical areas. it's people like this that you don't want to let out of your sight. and this was a mistake. i don't know if our laws are insufficient or the fbi failed, but we're at war with radical islamists and we need to up our game. >> the chairman of the house homeland security committee is also weighing in on this topic. he told our candy crowley that tamerlan tsarnaev received what he called training while in russia and he thinks tsarnaev made more than one trip to the region. we are learning more about the suspects from the russian republic of dagestan where they once lived. cnn can exclusively reveal alleged boston bomber tamerlan tsarnaev, the older brother, had video of jihadists on his youtube channel. let's check in with cnn's phil black in moscow. phil, what do you know about this
or our laws do not allow the fbi to follow-up in a sound, solid way. there was a lot to be learned from this guy. he was on websites talking about killing americans. he went overseas, as chuck indicated. he was clearly talking about radical ideas. he was visiting radical areas. it's people like this that you don't want to let out of your sight. and this was a mistake. i don't know if our laws are insufficient or the fbi failed, but we're at war with radical islamists and we need to up our game....
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and how do law enforcement and good interrogators pull those threats? joining us now is ali soufan, a former fbi special agent who proved the first link between al qaeda and 9/11 after the first attacks. the book he wrote about his experience in the fbi is called "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda clothe. great to have you here. >> it's great to be here again. thank you. >> when you heard the transcript of what happened at the bedside of the suspected bomber in boston today with him being read his rights, being advised he has the right to remain silent, as a former high level fbi interrogator, how does that sound to you? >> it sounds great. that's exactly how we should deal with these individuals. there is nothing special about them. they committed a crime, and they need to be punished for that crime. and this system, our federal system is one of the best systems in dealing with al qaeda, in dealing with terrorism. i'll give you an example. since 9/11 until today, we had probably about more than 165, 170 cases of t
and how do law enforcement and good interrogators pull those threats? joining us now is ali soufan, a former fbi special agent who proved the first link between al qaeda and 9/11 after the first attacks. the book he wrote about his experience in the fbi is called "the black banners: the inside story of 9/11 and the war against al qaeda clothe. great to have you here. >> it's great to be here again. thank you. >> when you heard the transcript of what happened at the bedside of...
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the rule of law requires limitations and torture is something that should never been exceeded. as you know, i have famously or infamously called for torture warrants because i believe that torture would occur in extreme ticking bomb cases and i want accountability and visibility, but i don't want torture. >> alan dershowitz, thank you very much indeed. >>> he's the top cop who oversaw the final moments of the week-long nightmare in and around boston. the manhunt that pitted hundreds of police officers against the armed and extremely dangerous tsarnaev brothers. joining me is watertown police chief. chief, thank you first of all for what you and your officers did in the last week because it really was heroic police work. i'm so glad for you that it ended finally with the capture of these two criminals. in terms of the way it went on for you as the week went on, were there moments when you felt we're not going to catch this guy? >> well, we were right at it right from the beginning with our officers there at 12:25 a.m. in the back street of watertown. we didn't have much to think
the rule of law requires limitations and torture is something that should never been exceeded. as you know, i have famously or infamously called for torture warrants because i believe that torture would occur in extreme ticking bomb cases and i want accountability and visibility, but i don't want torture. >> alan dershowitz, thank you very much indeed. >>> he's the top cop who oversaw the final moments of the week-long nightmare in and around boston. the manhunt that pitted...
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and law enforcement officials need to be careful. it's totally legal and proper in case of an imminent threat to waive the miranda rights but they've got to prove, if we want this guy, if he's guilty of going away for a long time or subject to the death penalty. they have to prove not that he placed the backpack on the parade route or the finish line, but he knew what was in it and he knew what was going to happen. that won't be an easy case to prosecute. unless they do everything right and they don't want to find out something before he is been given the miranda right that they cannot then use in trial. >> mike, the aclu has been i think tough and fair-minded about the administration's use of, the aclu's issues with the obama administration and their sort of tactics in the great war on terror. how much do you think that the white house has sort of come around on some of these issues? i mean there's a lot of talk about the expansion of privileges, a continuation of the bush administration tactics. here's a case where they seem to try
and law enforcement officials need to be careful. it's totally legal and proper in case of an imminent threat to waive the miranda rights but they've got to prove, if we want this guy, if he's guilty of going away for a long time or subject to the death penalty. they have to prove not that he placed the backpack on the parade route or the finish line, but he knew what was in it and he knew what was going to happen. that won't be an easy case to prosecute. unless they do everything right and...
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it will be against the law. it's not going to happen. on the other hand, i do think we need to keep in mind there may not be a single profile of a terrorist. timothy mcveigh obviously didn't look like or come from the same background as the people that blew up the world trade center, but in this city, anyway with the first world trade center explosion, then to the downing of the towers, subsequent plots, all of the terrorists, people who have tried to commit these acts have been muslim men. that does not mean we have a right or should survey every muslim man. it's not possible, not appropriate, not legal, it's not constitutional, but we do also have to recognize there is a set of facts and a fact pattern, and we need to understand why that's happening. and we need to take steps to do something about it. >> how do you do that in that isn't in a way that you seem to be targeting people ofs muslim faith. there are these common threads, you're going to be looking for people who exhibit those signs. how do you do that in a meaningful way? >>
it will be against the law. it's not going to happen. on the other hand, i do think we need to keep in mind there may not be a single profile of a terrorist. timothy mcveigh obviously didn't look like or come from the same background as the people that blew up the world trade center, but in this city, anyway with the first world trade center explosion, then to the downing of the towers, subsequent plots, all of the terrorists, people who have tried to commit these acts have been muslim men....
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, federal or state law enforcement. that being said, they are human. mistakes sometimes are made. of course, it raises questions when you hear that the government of russia alerted us about this man and he was under questioning, was investigated and nothing happened. if there are questions that can lead to improving the protocol, to improving the process, to maybe catching a bad guy before he does heinous terrorist acts, i say, let's go through the process. we're all going to learn from it. >> we've been talking about the weapons that these guys had. you know the gun control debate is coming into this. l.z., the centers failed to advance gun control that would have ics panded background checks and closed the gun show loophole. on friday, some gun rights activists said that the boston lockdown with residents warned to stay inside and not to answer their doors to anyone but police, they said it was a perfect justification for owning a gun. are we done with new gun control efforts and does this story, what's happening here
, federal or state law enforcement. that being said, they are human. mistakes sometimes are made. of course, it raises questions when you hear that the government of russia alerted us about this man and he was under questioning, was investigated and nothing happened. if there are questions that can lead to improving the protocol, to improving the process, to maybe catching a bad guy before he does heinous terrorist acts, i say, let's go through the process. we're all going to learn from it....
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law the united states citizens cannot be trialed -- tried rather in military commissions. and it is important to remember that since 9/11 we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. the effective use of the criminal justice system has resulted in the interrogation, conviction and detention of both u.s. citizens and not citizens for acts of terrorism committed inside the united states and around the world. the system has repeatedly proven that it can successfully handle the threat we continue to face. there are a number of examples of this. high profile. the times square bomber, faisal shahzad pleaded guilty and sentenced to life in prison. abdul the so-called underwear bomber was sentenced to life in prison. somali national
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there is a federal terrorism law. and the use of explosive devices in the course of terrorism is not only a federal crime, it is a federal crime that potentially carries the death penalty. >> when you say that, is there not also -- forgive me for not knowing the wording of the federal statute, but exploding a device in a public place causing death is also something that carries the death penalty. >> that's right. >> so video perhaps -- >> that's right. >> okay. >> remember, we are such an early stage of this process. you know, we are all taking it as a given that the fbi and other law enforcement have identified the two brothers as the people who set off the bomb. we don't know what the evidence is of that. we haven't seen evidence -- we haven't seen them setting off the bomb. we haven't seen them admitting it. now, supposedly one or both of them admitted it to the carja carjacking victim, but i think we just need to slow down a little bit and say, you know, what is the proof here. >> sure. >> i assume the government
there is a federal terrorism law. and the use of explosive devices in the course of terrorism is not only a federal crime, it is a federal crime that potentially carries the death penalty. >> when you say that, is there not also -- forgive me for not knowing the wording of the federal statute, but exploding a device in a public place causing death is also something that carries the death penalty. >> that's right. >> so video perhaps -- >> that's right. >> okay....
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and the former brother-in-law that you just heard brian todd refer to talked a little bit about those bonds and what it might mean for dzhokhar and his older brother tamerlan. here he is. >> i believe he was just maybe obeying him because he is older, he's the older brother. and, yes, i know that they all love tamerlan. they all admired him. his younger sisters and the brothers and dzhokhar really thought tamerlan as the role model. and i believe that he didn't question much. >> now, you know, there have been reports that tamerlan may have physically abused one of his sisters. obviously there was an assault case by his wife against him. the role of senior male with the family in the united states be enough to convince his younger brother to go along with him? >> i doubt that, that that would be enough in and of itself. but i guess i'd like to comment on a very famous social psychology experiment by stanley millgram who did a phoney shock machine. he took people and within an hour individuals were electrocuting others just because somebody ordered them to. >> you know, it's funny, you
and the former brother-in-law that you just heard brian todd refer to talked a little bit about those bonds and what it might mean for dzhokhar and his older brother tamerlan. here he is. >> i believe he was just maybe obeying him because he is older, he's the older brother. and, yes, i know that they all love tamerlan. they all admired him. his younger sisters and the brothers and dzhokhar really thought tamerlan as the role model. and i believe that he didn't question much. >>...
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we are hearing from local law enforcement that looks like the suspects were working alone. and that came from watertown police chief. he knows a lot of information, but can we say that at this point? >> congratulations to him and his officers, fantastic job, textbook job really. that's certainly the hope of everyone that they were operating alone, but i know that the fbi and others are concerned about the other explosives, for example, that were found in the apartment of the two brothers. >> how do you account for those, for the pressure cooker, the other weapons and all that stuff. >> exactly. it begs the question were they planning additional attacks? the third pressure cooker bomb they used in the pursuit, was that supposed to be deployed by a third person the day of the marathon? these are unanswered questions that i know law enforcement is working hard to try to resolve. >> could profiling have made a difference in this case? how do you determine if they were part of a larger cell? >> profiling is kind of a bad word, we don't like profiling. >> but you have profilers.
we are hearing from local law enforcement that looks like the suspects were working alone. and that came from watertown police chief. he knows a lot of information, but can we say that at this point? >> congratulations to him and his officers, fantastic job, textbook job really. that's certainly the hope of everyone that they were operating alone, but i know that the fbi and others are concerned about the other explosives, for example, that were found in the apartment of the two brothers....
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when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas to russia, that area, as he became increasingly more devout in his religion and radicalism. >>> here in washington, the marathon bombings have already started to change the debate on things like -- you knew this was coming -- immigration. >>> finally, life started to return to normal this weekend in boston. i was up there as the slow healing begins. this is "hardball." as we say up there, "hardball." the place for politics. >>> he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was of course, white house spokesman jay carney short by before 1:00 p.m. today making clear the boston suspect will
when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas to russia, that area, as he became increasingly more devout in his religion and radicalism. >>> here in washington, the...
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though nbc news is reporting law enforcement may know where this person is. the entear tire city of boston is under orders. they have put a no-fly order over watertown, massachusetts. >>> i'm marla tallez. >> i'm laura garcia cannon. let's go straight to terry mcsweeney. what are you seeing out there? >> reporter: i see the police helicopter that we have been mentioning continues to stay overhead in a certain area of watertown. as you mentioned, police believe they know where suspect number two is holed up right now. it is not a matter of going in and getting him. an extremely dangerous man. possibly he has explosives tied to him. he threw some, one with his brother, at the police as they chased him. a bomb squad truck comes through. another vehicle with lights flashing. the suspect certainly had explosives last night as they were chased to waltertown after killing. it was confirmed after the suv, they got another pickup truck and drove it here. suspect number one, dead. suspect number two believed to be here in watertown. i keep watching this police helicopt
though nbc news is reporting law enforcement may know where this person is. the entear tire city of boston is under orders. they have put a no-fly order over watertown, massachusetts. >>> i'm marla tallez. >> i'm laura garcia cannon. let's go straight to terry mcsweeney. what are you seeing out there? >> reporter: i see the police helicopter that we have been mentioning continues to stay overhead in a certain area of watertown. as you mentioned, police believe they know...
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but, yeah, i spent my day in cambridge with fbi and law enforcement were all there to search this home. coming up, we'll share my interview with him as he describes him as a leader on this high school. we'll be right back. >> announcer: you never know when, but thieves can steal your identity and turn your life upside down. >> hi. >> hi. you know, i can save you 15% today if you open up a charge card account with us. >> you just read my mind. >> announcer: just one little piece of information and they can open bogus accounts, stealing your credit, your money and ruining your reputation. that's why you need lifelock to relentlessly protect what matters most... [beeping...] helping stop crooks before your identity is attacked. and now you can have the most comprehensive identity theft protection available today... lifelock ultimate. so for protection you just can't get anywhere else, get lifelock ultimate. >> i didn't know how serious identity theft was until i lost my credit and eventually i lost my home. >> announcer: credit monitoring is not enough, because it tells you after the fact
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one, by a foreign entity, and you have to respect the laws of this land. privacy laws and privileges of certain status individual. he was, in fact, someone who had status. he was documented. he was not a citizen, however. but in our parameters, there are certain guidelines we have to follow. i don't disagree with that. what i would like to see, and this is again in the general domain, is that we make sure that all agencies communicate with each other and if there was information and there was dead silence, a period of lull, a period of nonaction, then i would hope the file could remain open and someone would say, he we tried to get information from russia, at least what is in the public domain now. we try to get information from russia. we haven't heard from them, we will continue to pursue them in spite of any lull in our diplomatic relations. we will continue to work with their law enforcement or intelligence authorities, just to follow up. that is what i call connecting the dots and i want to make it very clear. this does not take away from the very fin
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that's the single element i think that runs through all of american law enforcement. when events like this occur, the nation is always reminded you have your bravery, but unfortunately having attended so many funerals and memorial services for law enforcement officers in my career, i not only think of your bravery, but the first thoughts i have is of your families. because every day when you get up and pin on that shield and walk out that door, your husband, your wife, your mother, your father, your brother, your sister, they know -- they know it's naggy that anything could happen. yesterday they assistant with you, they support you, and they have the courage to encourage you. to do what you do. so i want to thank not only sean's family for their willingness to support their brother, their son, taking on this work, but all of your husbands and wives, fathers and mothers, and children, we owe you so much more than just honoring you on days of grief and celebration. there's a line from an english poet keats. he said -- they also serve who only stand and wait. your famil
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they want tsarnaev treated as an enemy combatant under the laws of war. lester? >> michael isakoff, thank you. for more on the government's attempts to find out what motivated these suspects, we're joined by nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. in our washington bureau, andrea? >> good evening, lester. intelligence officials, the fbi, a global search for what motivated tamerlan tsarnaev's terrorism. was it chechnyan nationalism, at the white house today, the president met again in the situation room with his national security advisers. he was briefed by the fbi director and top counterterrorism officials and others for 0 minutes. an official tells us afterwards that so far, there is no evidence of foreign involvement, but they're looking. they also say they are getting good cooperation now from russia, with whom as you know the u.s. has had very rocky relations over the last few years. russia's president vladimir putin spoke with president obama last night and the two leaders are discussing the importance of working more closely together on
they want tsarnaev treated as an enemy combatant under the laws of war. lester? >> michael isakoff, thank you. for more on the government's attempts to find out what motivated these suspects, we're joined by nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. in our washington bureau, andrea? >> good evening, lester. intelligence officials, the fbi, a global search for what motivated tamerlan tsarnaev's terrorism. was it chechnyan nationalism, at the white house today, the...
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as if these images weren't chilling enough, today in a newly filed criminal complaint, law enforcement officials described how 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev calmly placed a bag allegedly containing a homemade bomb made out of a pressure cooker and packed with nails and bbs on the ground in a crowd full of innocent bystanders and simply waited. when the first bomb, allegedly placed by his brother, went off nearby, investigators say they could see everybody in the crowd react with alarm. everybody except tsarnaev, who waited a few seconds, walked away, and allegedly set off the sec bomb. days later he and his older brother tamerlan got in a shoot-out with police. today we learn more about the events leading up to that epic clash. according to the new criminal complaint, the night began with the brothers tsarnaev allegedly car jacking a man. the victim describes one of the brothers getting into his car and saying, did you hear about the boston explosion? i did that. the victim says the brother then removed a magazine from his gun, displayed a bullet, and said, i am serious. the victim gav
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law enforcement sources say they exchanged gunfire with the suspect. a neighbor caught the fire fight on video. >> ultimately, the hostage rescue team of the fbi made an entry into the boat and removed the suspect of who was still alive in the boat. >> the standoff came 24 hours after dzhokhar and his older brother killed an officer. that led to a fierce fire fight with police in watertown that killed tamerlan and may have injured his brother. it has been a long day for the people here in watertown and in the greater boston area. the search for the brothers closed schools and offices and all but shut down the entire area. president obama expressed his thanks from the white house. >> we owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to all our outstanding law enforcement professionals. >> reporter: the fbi marked his page, captured, and people gathered for a candle light vigil near the finish line of the marathon. in addition to a motive. investigators will be looking to answer if these two brothers were working alone or part of a larger terror group. we can tell y
law enforcement sources say they exchanged gunfire with the suspect. a neighbor caught the fire fight on video. >> ultimately, the hostage rescue team of the fbi made an entry into the boat and removed the suspect of who was still alive in the boat. >> the standoff came 24 hours after dzhokhar and his older brother killed an officer. that led to a fierce fire fight with police in watertown that killed tamerlan and may have injured his brother. it has been a long day for the people...
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it's a matter for law enforcement. now on the question of the public safety exception. it is not necessary that the individual be designated an enemy combatant in order for him to be questioned without giving him miranda warnings, the exception emanates from a supreme court decision in the early '80s, called new york versus quarrels. the criminal suspect in that situation was not a terrorist, he was not part of any enemy force. he was arrested in a grocery store in queens. and the police asked him where is the loaded gun. he had a gun with him. they couldn't find it. and for public safety reasons, they needed to find the loaded weapon quickly. and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all wit
it's a matter for law enforcement. now on the question of the public safety exception. it is not necessary that the individual be designated an enemy combatant in order for him to be questioned without giving him miranda warnings, the exception emanates from a supreme court decision in the early '80s, called new york versus quarrels. the criminal suspect in that situation was not a terrorist, he was not part of any enemy force. he was arrested in a grocery store in queens. and the police asked...
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. >> the involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to her. >> some federal agencies are shocked. the f.b.i. did not know about tamerlan's trip to russia last year. federal officials say he was not on a terrorism watch list at the time, but from belgium this morning, secretary of state john kerry points out a possible connection. >> we just had a young person who went to russia and chechnya who blew people up in boston. he didn't stay where he went but he learned something where he went and he came back with a willingness to kill people. homeland security was aware of the trip to russia. secretary napolitano says that the brothers were thoroughly vetted when the family sought asylum in the united states. >> in this instance the systems contained no derogatory information as to either brother. >> in the past hour we have learned investigators have recovered only one handgun believed to have been used in the gun battle with police, the shootout where tamerlan was killed and the 9 millimeter pistol was scratched off -- the serial number was scratched off. >> the
. >> the involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to her. >> some federal agencies are shocked. the f.b.i. did not know about tamerlan's trip to russia last year. federal officials say he was not on a terrorism watch list at the time, but from belgium this morning, secretary of state john kerry points out a possible connection. >> we just had a young person who went to russia and chechnya who blew people up in boston. he didn't stay where he went...
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we have 50 massachusetts national guardsmen in watertown in a staging area with law enforcement. the entire city of boston is now being asked to shelter in place, as law enforcement officials methodically search for the second suspect and possibly concerned about a third. joining me live in watertown, katy tur, describe the scene that you're witnessing right now. >> it has got an lot more act aive here in the past few minutes. a police helicopter that is circling this area for the last 20 minutes or so. they are circling the area which is right over here, diagonal from where i am. we did see police cruisers speed that way and arm aered vehicles speed that way and we are hearing reports of some activity. we have reporters that are closer to the scene and they are saying that it does appear a bomb squad is going into a house. it's much more active than it was a few minutes ago. to give you an idea of where we are in relation to how everything has been happening. the shootout that happened early this morning happened in this general vicinity happened a couple blocks from here. that'
we have 50 massachusetts national guardsmen in watertown in a staging area with law enforcement. the entire city of boston is now being asked to shelter in place, as law enforcement officials methodically search for the second suspect and possibly concerned about a third. joining me live in watertown, katy tur, describe the scene that you're witnessing right now. >> it has got an lot more act aive here in the past few minutes. a police helicopter that is circling this area for the last 20...
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i think we need to do a lot more in order to protect law-abiding americans. i don't care if they came here from another country or lived here all their lives, we need to protect law-abiding people and not worrying about terrorists who come here and their civil rights and their civil liberties. >> it is interesting, mayor, you had mentioned that on fox business. i thought it was profound because you think of the older brother, he had effectively become a citizen on september 11, 2012, the same year he was going back and forth to, you know, chechnya. many are going to try to look at those links and what have you, but invariably, you're right, in a lot of the media coverage there has been a notion that america is to blame for this, yet we are -- your city is proof of that, a mecca for talent around the world, better than 100 nationalities represented in some of the finest schools in the planets. schools that i could never get into, by the way. but i only point out, mayor, that we do that a lot here. your advice to those in the media do is what? >> i'll tell you,
i think we need to do a lot more in order to protect law-abiding americans. i don't care if they came here from another country or lived here all their lives, we need to protect law-abiding people and not worrying about terrorists who come here and their civil rights and their civil liberties. >> it is interesting, mayor, you had mentioned that on fox business. i thought it was profound because you think of the older brother, he had effectively become a citizen on september 11, 2012, the...
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call the administration to do is come forward with a new structure and to articulate how the rule of law will support protecting the country in this new threat environment. but there just wasn't the case for treating this brother as an enemy combatant and i think it was very premature for some of my senate colleagues to call for limb to be treated that way. >> interesting point. also interesting we need to really reconsider. thank you very much, congressman. we appreciate your time. "outfront" next, authorities stop another terrorist attack. this one on a train between new york city and canada. we have a i love live update on and talk to a man who was there when police finally captured suspect number two on that boat in friday. how police talked him out of the boat. here's a word you should keep in mind. unbiased. some brokerage firms are. but way too many aren't. why? because selling their funds makes them more money. which makes you wonder -- isn't that a conflict? search "proprietary mutual funds." yikes! then go to e-trade. we've got over 8,000 mutual funds, and not one of them has o
call the administration to do is come forward with a new structure and to articulate how the rule of law will support protecting the country in this new threat environment. but there just wasn't the case for treating this brother as an enemy combatant and i think it was very premature for some of my senate colleagues to call for limb to be treated that way. >> interesting point. also interesting we need to really reconsider. thank you very much, congressman. we appreciate your time....
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he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical information we have, dzhokhar, who is the surviving suspect here, dzhokhar tsarnaev, is in hospital. tamerlan born in kyrgystan, comes in 2002. he becomes a u.s. citizen, 9/11/2012. he was a wrestler, enrolled at the university of massachusetts-dartmouth. so many friends talking so positively about him. tamerlan, his older brother, does that travel. he comes later than his younger brother. he was mayrried, had a 3-year-od daughter. had a domestic violence incident. he dropped out of community colle college. he was a competitive boxer. people speaking very
he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical...